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Petrobras' profit dips but dividends stay huge: right call?

English · B1 worksheet Based on the RoundTalk episode of

Free for classroom use. Students listen to the first 75 seconds and read the beginning of the debate, then work on the tasks. The answer key is on the last page. The panelists are fictional characters with AI voices.

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Host

Welcome to RoundTalk. Petrobras made less profit than expected this quarter. But it's still paying huge dividends to shareholders. Should companies pay you now or invest for growth later? Marcus Webb, former oil company CFO. Claudia Rocha, personal finance writer. David Chen, energy investor.

Host

Marcus, Petrobras just hiked capex guidance but kept the dividend huge. Walk us through the math here.

Marcus Webb

The capex rise is the good news here, not the problem. Those new platforms at Búzios are why production hit a record. You've got to ask yourself: what pays your dividend in ten years?

Host

Claudia, but what about the people who own Petrobras stock right now and need that money this month?

Claudia Rocha

Ten years? Look, at the end of the day, my readers are retired. They get that payment in February and it covers the pharmacy bill. Petrobras already kept billions back in March. The promise came, the money didn't.

Host

David, when a board hikes capex but keeps dividends huge, what's really happening here?

David Chen

What they're really telling you is: we don't trust the oil price. A confident board just invests. This one raised capex and made a lot of noise about the payout. The dividend is covering a weak quarter.

Marcus Webb

No, a scared board cuts capex. This one is building.

Claudia Rocha

No, no, wait. Building what, exactly? A shareholder of seventy-five doesn't get ten more years of platforms. My neighbour bought those shares for her electricity bill, not for Búzios. That's easy to say when it's not your money.

Host

David, how do you see it?

David Chen

Building isn't brave if you're surprised. They jumped capex by a quarter in one go, mid-year. That's not a plan, that's costs running ahead of them. However, the payout stays generous. Those two things disagree.

Key vocabulary

  • dividends — Payments made by companies to shareholders
  • shareholders — People who own shares in a company
  • capex — Money spent on new equipment and infrastructure
  • guidance — Official forecast or prediction issued by a company
  • payout — Money paid out to investors or owners
  • generous — Large in amount; more than usual or expected
  • disagree — To have different opinions or conflict
  • barrel — Unit of measurement for crude oil volume

Comprehension questions

  1. Why does Marcus Webb think Petrobras should increase capex spending?
  2. What problem does Claudia Rocha see with waiting ten years for investment returns?
  3. What does David Chen think the board is really saying when it raises capex but keeps dividends huge?
  4. Why does David Chen think Petrobras' capex increase is not a good plan?
  5. What does Claudia Rocha believe about older shareholders who bought Petrobras stock?

True or false?

  1. Marcus Webb says that a scared board increases capex spending. T / F
  2. Claudia Rocha's readers are retired people who need dividend payments quickly. T / F
  3. David Chen believes Petrobras planned the capex increase carefully over several months. T / F
  4. The Búzios platforms helped Petrobras reach record production. T / F

Fill the gaps

capexdisagreedividendsgenerouspayout
  1. But it's still paying huge   to shareholders.
  2. Marcus, Petrobras just hiked   guidance but kept the dividend huge.
  3. This one raised capex and made a lot of noise about the  .
  4. However, the payout stays  .
  5. Those two things  .

Discuss in pairs

  1. When you buy shares in a company, is it more important to get money now or to see the company grow for the future? Why?
  2. Do you think large companies should care more about shareholders who need money today, or about long-term investors? Who should they listen to?
  3. If a company breaks a promise to pay dividends in March, should shareholders trust it again when it pays in February? Why or why not?

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Answer key

Comprehension
  1. Because the new platforms at Búzios increase production and will pay dividends in the future.
  2. Retired shareholders need the money now to pay bills, and Petrobras already broke a promise to pay in March.
  3. The board does not trust the oil price and is using the dividend to hide a weak quarter.
  4. Because the company jumped capex by a quarter in one go mid-year, which shows costs are running ahead of planning, not careful planning.
  5. They bought shares to pay immediate bills like electricity, not to wait ten years for platform projects to pay off.
True or false
  1. False
  2. True
  3. False
  4. True
Gaps
  1. dividends
  2. capex
  3. payout
  4. generous
  5. disagree

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